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Opening introduction by MarkMcWilliams
Welcome and thank you for joining this radiobroadcast of Persuade The World Ministries. Youreabout to hear our radio production of the book written and taughtby Gordon James Klingenschmitt, entitled License To Sin,The Number One Reason America Is Losing Its MoralFoundation. If you call us in the next hour,well mail you a free cassette tape of todaysbroadcast, which you can copy and give to your friends. Justcall our toll-free phone number: 866-Obey-God. Thatstoll free, 1-866-O-B-E-Y-G-O-D. Gordon JamesKlingenschmitt is a graduate of the United States Air ForceAcademy, and a seminary graduate of
Thanks, Mark. Todays segment isthe first of several in a mini-drama entitled, TheTheological Adventures of Johnny Lukewarm and PastorLoophole. Johnny Lukewarm, and Pastor Loophole. Hmmm
But before we meet these two characters,lets read from 2nd Timothy chapter 3. Forthe time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around thema great number of teachers to say what their itchingears want to hear. They will turn their earsaway from the truth and turn aside to myths. Peopleoften turn to counselors who tell them what their itching earswant to hear. As is the case with our character, JohnnyLukewarm, who turns to Pastor Loophole to get advice
Solets introduce the characters in our little drama.
Johnny Lukewarm isa non-Christian who calls himself a Christian. He eagerlydesires forgiveness of sins, but has no desire to submit to therulership of God. Johnny Lukewarm is your averagecollege-aged student, and he thinks he got saved atan evangelistic crusade when he (quote) accepted Jesus ashis Savior. But he never made Christ His Lord. Hejust wants to go to heaven, He doesnt want Jesus to be theboss of his life. Hes not cold toward God, buthes not hot toward God either. Hes justlukewarm.
With his itching ears like radar beacons, Johnny Lukewarm sweepsthe horizon for any available excuse to remain in his sins. He searches high and low for reasons to escape absolute obedienceto God. There must be some relief from thisconviction and guilt I feel. There must be some way toavoid obedience to God. he thinks to himself.
And fortunately forJohnny, there are hundreds of false teachers out there, tellinghim everything his itching ears want to hear, offering excuseafter excuse, loophole after loophole, on how to avoid submissionto God and keep enjoying his deadly sins. And thatsOK with Johnny, because he really loves his sins more than God inthe first place.
Now the second character in our drama is an older, distinguished,very wise preacher named Pastor Loophole. (Or so heproclaims himself to be wise.) Pastor Loophole has a verymodern concept of the gospel, which he learned at a very liberalseminary. Pastor Loophole believes God is loving andmerciful, in fact so merciful that God forgives without requiringrepentance or holiness! Pastor Loophole worries aboutchurch-growth, and fears offending anyone who might becoming atithing member of his church.
Our opening scene takes place on a Tuesday afternoon. JohnnyLukewarm has a counseling session in Pastor Loopholesoffice. Johnny requested the appointment himself, hoping toclarify some Bible verses that make him uncomfortable. Yousee, God wants Johnny to forsake one of his favorite sins. Maybeit was prayerlessness, or lack of concern for the lost, ormaterialism, or idolatry, or pride, or lust, or.....maybe Godeven wants him to forsake all of these things at once! Anywaythe Holy Spirit is convicting Johnny to forsake his favorite sin,impressing Johnny to the point of sorrow, tears, and genuinefeelings of guilt. Johnny knows hes wrong, but heabsolutely refuses to surrender. After all, God wants himto give up his favorite sin. But in this dangerous state ofunrepentance and resisting the Holy Spirit, he walks into PastorLoopholes office for advice.
(Lower) Please have a seat, Johnny. What seems to bebothering you today?
Johnnys brow furrows with concern. (Higher)Pastor Loophole, Im very upset about this particularpassage of scripture. It seems as though God is commandingme to do something I really dont want to do. Do Ireally have to repent, and stop sinning, and obey God? Oris there some other alternative?
(Lower) Why, certainly there is, Johnny, you just relax. I can offer you dozens of alternatives, and give you very logicalreasons why you dont have to obey God.
(Higher) Oh, thank goodness. Johnny breathes asigh of relief. He sits forward eagerly, with his itchingears searching for some escape from the Holy Spiritsconviction. For a minute there, I thought Idactually have to change my behavior and obey God!
But the Spirit ofGod is grieved away, and He slowly withdraws his conviction fromJohnnys life. And Pastor Loopholes excusesbegin with Loophole #1, entitled God is a merciful,compassionate God.
Heres Loophole number one:
(Lower) Dontfeel so bad, Johnny, says Pastor Loophole, Godunderstands you with great compassion. In fact, mercy andcompassion are the strongest part of Gods character. Jesustaught that we should forgive 70 times 7 times whenever someonesins against us,
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures, and analyze Pastor Loopholes advice. Letsrightly divide the word of truth, and separate the truth from thelies in Pastor Loopholes advice. First, letsacknowledge the true part. God delights in showing mercy tosinners. The Bible says Mercy triumphs over judgment!
But here are thelies. Did you know its a lie that there are norequirements for obtaining Gods mercy? And itsa lie that God shows mercy to everybody, no matter what they door dont do? But heres the truth to replace theLies: God shows no mercy to the unrepentant. Godshows no mercy to those who dont fear Him, change theirhearts, repent, and submit to His rulership. Hereswhat the Bible says: the mercy of the LORD is fromeverlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him
to suchas keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandmentsto do them.
Did you know that in the Bible, God gives three requirements forgranting forgiveness of sins? Three requirements! Thefirst is Atonement. The atoning blood sacrifice ofJesus Christs substitutionary death on the cross is thefirst requirement for Gods mercy. The Bible says Withoutthe shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.
The second is Repentance. The sinner must voluntarily repent from sin, or forsake his knownsins, before God forgives those sins. Jesus taught Ifsomebody sins against you seven times in a day, and seven timescomes back to you and says, I repent,forgive him.
The thirdrequirement for obtaining Gods mercy is Faith in JesusChrist. Not just mental assent to certain facts, butwhole-hearted submission to the author behind thosefactsgiving Jesus and His words authority over your mind. Righteousness from God comes through faithin Jesus Christ to all who believe
So the Bible gives three requirements for obtainingGods mercy: atonement, repentance, and faith.
Now if yourelistening out there, Johnny Lukewarm, how will you respond? What will you do? The atonement was provided by Jesus onthe cross. But the repenting and the believing arecompletely up to you. God will never repent for you. Neitherwill He believe for you. You must repent and believe, orGod wont forgive your sins. How do you accessGods mercy? Repent and believe.
Lets take a break for a moment and pray. Would youpray with me? Pray these words along with me to God. LordI repent, and I believe. Lord, please forgive me fordelaying repentance, and right now I forsake my known sins. Furthermore, I submit my heart and mind to the rulership of JesusChrist, right now. I believe him. I submit my mind tohim. I trust him, and receive Him to be my Lord in everyarea of my life. Especially in those areas where Ivebeen resisting Him. Jesus, come and rule my heart rightnow. In your name I pray, Amen. Did you justpray with me? Now if you just prayed with me, I want you towrite to me and get a copy of this book youre hearingpresented right now. Heres Mark with thatinformation.
Middle segment by Mark McWilliams
Thanks Gordon. Hell be back injust a moment. But first, do you know somebody who needs tohear todays message? If you call our toll-free numberin the next hour, 866-Obey-God, well mail you a freecassette tape of todays broadcast, which you can copy andgive to your friends. All our tapes are copyable and free,but please remember we need your donations to stay on the air andto give away these free tapes. So please pray and obey,then send us your best possible donation, after you receive yourfree cassette. (Gordon: Hey time out! Ifits your first time calling us, no donation is required! Just call us!) Our toll free number is 866-Obey-God,thats 1-866-O-B-E-Y-G-O-D. And please specifyyoure requesting todays program. Do you believeAmerica needs to hear these messages? If so, then we needyou to sponsor us, by joining the Persuaders Club with amonthly pledge of just $15. If you join thePersuaders Club, well also send you an autographedcopy of Gordons book that youve been hearing. Justvisit our web-site at persuaders-club.com. Or call us inthe next hour at 866-Obey-God. Right now, lets returnto Gordon James Klingenschmitt.
Thanks again, Mark. Letsreturn again to Johnny Lukewarm, whos getting advice fromPastor Loophole. Remember, Johnny Lukewarm was reading hisBible, and came across a command of scripture he didnt wantto obey. So he turned to Pastor Loophole, who tells himwhat his itching ears want to hear. And loophole number twois entitled, God loves you unconditionally.
Dont you remember my sermon last Sunday? PastorLoophole reminds Johnny Lukewarm, as he gives Johnny anotherexcuse to delay repentance and remain in his deadly sins.
After reading halfof the Bible, and ignoring the half he didnt like, PastorLoophole prepared his favorite sermon on Godsunconditional love.
(Lower) Godloves you unconditionally, with no strings attached. Youdont have to change to be acceptable to God, because Godloves you just the way you are. In fact, the Bible says Godis love.
Oh yes, God loves you. God doesnt hate anybody,and He never will. God may have been wrathful in the OldTestament, but that was before Jesus came. Now God lovesyou so much, He gave His son for you, to forgive you of yoursins, even if you dont repent! God loves you so much,that He cant hate you, or be angry with you, or be wrathfultoward you, or punish you, even if you continue to enjoy yoursins!
Pastor Loopholespins out his message of cheap grace, and Johnny Lukewarm leansforward in his seat, his itching ears eager to hear every word. (Lower) Jesus loves sinners! He ate and drank with sinners. God isnt angry with sinners. So dont worryabout your sins, Johnny, just soak in Gods love. Godwill never hate you, even if continue to enjoy your sins. Youdont have to repent or be holy to be loved by God.
Johnny Lukewarm breathes a big sigh of relief. (Higher)Oh thank goodness, He says. I feel soloved by God! Before I thought God might be angry that Ienjoy my sins, but now I know better! God loves meunconditionally, even while I continue to enjoy my sins.
TIME OUT !! Lets sort out thismess, and look at the scriptures, and rightly divide the word oftruth. Lets separate the truth from the lies inPastor Loopholes advice. First, I want to acknowledgethe true part. God is love. God shows love tosinners. He is patient with themGod is kind to theungrateful and wicked.
The Bible says, The LORD detestsmen of perverse heart, but he delights in those whose ways areblameless.
Some people listening out there may think these Bible verses arehate speech. But theyre not hate speech iftheyre true. If theyre true, theyre wordsof love, not hate. I love you enough to warn you. Imnot trying to be your judge. Only God can judge you. ButIm called to be a messenger sent from the One who willjudge you someday, and I love you enough to warn you. JohnnyLukewarm, forsake your sins before they destroy you in hell. Thats not hate speech, thats love speech. ButPastor Loophole has twisted the words love andhate. Love is not the same as tolerance andsilence. And hate is not the same as rebuke and warningabout danger. Better is open rebuke than hidden love.
So let me ask you Bible scholars out there: Whats theone characteristic of God, most often mentioned in the Bible? What do you think? Whats the one characteristic ofGod, most often mentioned in the Bible? Is it Godslove? Actually, the word Love is attributed toGods character 150 times in the King James Bible. But the word Wrath is attributed to Godscharacter 155 times. The Bible describes God 150times as loving, and 155 times as wrathful. The Bible says Godis a righteous judge, a God who expresses his wrath every day.
But thats in the Old Testament. argues PastorLoophole. God is more loving in the NewTestament. Wrong again. Did you know the NewTestament book of Romans attributes love toGods character 7 times, but wrath 9 times? And if you count the number of times Jesus taught about heaven,its 90 times, but the number of times Jesus taught abouthell, its 88 times--virtually an even split, even in theNew Testament. The Bible says God is angry with thewicked every day.
Some people like topretend Gods wrath is subdued, but Gods infinitewrath is just as strong as His infinite love. The Biblesays Gods wrath is just as great as the fear that is dueHim.
Some people think theres no such place as hell, that evilpeople will just sort of be vaporized. Thats not whatJesus taught. Jesus said in hell there will be weeping andgnashing of teeth. Its hard to gnash your teeth whenyoure vaporized. People in hell wont merely beseparated from God, God wont just disappear, but Hellbe present forever in your private hell, in your face forever, inall of His infinite, furious wrath. Unless of course, you repentand forsake your deadly sins.
(Higher) Butthats not fair, Johnny Lukewarm complains, howcan our tiny sins deserve eternal punishment in hellfire? Thats easy. If God is infinitely worthy of ourobedience, then our slightest disobedience makes us infinitelyworthy of His wrath. When the tiniest of sinsis magnified by the infinite amount God didnt deserve thatsin, then one tiny sin becomes infinitelyincriminating. Apart from Gods infinite mercy whichcould forgive our sins, excruciating eternal torture in theflames of hell is the very least we deserve.
Yes, God lovessinners for now, but theres a time limit on that love, ifwe dont repent and forsake our deadly sins. If youcontinue to enjoy your sins, your clock is ticking. Yourtime is running out. Gods Spirit will not strive withyou forever. For the time being, God is patient withyou, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come torepentance.
Now Pastor Loophole, if youre listening out there, Godwants people to forsake their sins, and enter Gods kingdom. Are you going to open the door to them, by teaching aboutrepentance, or slam the door in their faces by telling them theydont have to repent and live a holy life? Help peoplesubmit to Gods rulership. I plead with you tolovingly warn them to forsake their sins.
And to Johnny Lukewarm, if youre listening out there, ifyou havent forsaken your known sins, dont callyourself a child of God. The Bible says theres oneway to know who the children of God are and who the childrenof the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right isnot a child of God.
Lets pray together. Would you pray with me? Praythese words to God with me: Father in heaven,Im so sorry for taking your love for granted. Imso sorry for delaying repentance. I want to receive yourlove, God, not your anger or your wrath. So I repent, rightnow, and forsake my known sins. Come and rule my heart,right now, and help me receive your eternal love, not youreternal wrath. And as I forsake my sins, Lord, I receiveyour forgiveness right now, through the sacrifice Jesus made forme on the cross. Thank you Lord. Amen. Didyou pray with me just now? If you prayed with me, would youjust raise your hand up to God? Wherever you are, ifyoure in your car, or your home, or in front of otherpeople, its OK. Just raise your hand to God as a signthat you prayed with me and gave your heart back to God. Someof you are receiving a physical healing in your bodies right now,as Gods loving rulership takes over your heart. Ihope youll write to us and tell us about that. But ifyou prayed with me, I hope youll write to us and get a copyof this book youre hearing. In this book and in ourfuture broadcasts, well answer the questions you may haveabout Gods love versus wrath, or faith versus works, oreternal security or eternal salvation. And youll hearmore theological adventures of Johnny Lukewarm and PastorLoophole. So I hope youll write us tune in again nexttime. Now heres Mark with information on how tocontact us.
Closing trailer by Mark McWilliams
Thanks Gordon, and thanks everybody forlistening. Do you know somebody who needs to hear todaysmessage? If you call our toll-free number in the next hour,866-Obey-God, well mail you a free cassette tape oftodays broadcast, which you can copy and give to yourfriends. All our tapes are copyable and free, but please rememberthat we need your donations to stay on the air and to give awaythese free tapes. So please pray and obey God about howmuch these teachings are worth to you, and return to us your bestpossible gift after you receive your free cassette. (Gordon: Hey time out! If its your first time contacting us,no donation is required! Just call us!) Our toll freenumber is 866-Obey-God, thats 1-866-O-B-E-Y-G-O-D,and please specify youre requesting todays program. Now do you believe America needs to hear these messages? Ifso, were specifically asking you to join thePersuaders Club, and to sponsor this radio broadcast with amonthly pledge of just $15. If you join thePersuaders Club as a monthly partner, well send youan autographed copy of the book youve been hearing, writtenand taught by Gordon James Klingenschmitt, entitled,License To Sin, The Number One Reason America Is Losing ItsMoral Foundation. Just visit our web-site atpersuaders-club.com. Thats persuaders-club.com. Its the monthly donations of our Persuaders Clubpartners who keep this program on the air. Now if you havecomments or questions about todays broadcast, you can emailus at firstname.lastname@example.org, Or youcan always call us toll free, at 866-Obey-God. And if youremember, please tell us the call sign of the radio stationyoure listening to. May God bless you, and thank youfor supporting Persuade The World Ministries. Knowingtherefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men.
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