Program#L12The Theological Adventures of Johnny Lukewarm andPastor Loophole: More Grace Loopholes (Contd)
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Welcome and thank you for joining this radiobroadcast of Persuade The World Ministries. Youreabout to hear our radio production of the book written and taughtby Gordon James Klingenschmitt, entitled License To Sin,The Number One Reason America Is Losing Its MoralFoundation. If you call us in the next hour,well mail you a free cassette tape of todaysbroadcast, which you can copy and give to your friends. Justcall our toll-free phone number: 866-Obey-God. Thatstoll free, 1-866-O-B-E-Y-G-O-D. Gordon James Klingenschmittis a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy, and aseminary graduate of Regent University, holding both M.B.A. andMaster of Divinity degrees. Hes also the founder andservant of Persuade The World Ministries, a 501(c3) tax-exemptreligious non-profit corporation in Colorado Springs, dedicatedto persuading individuals in America and throughout the world toforsake their sins and submit their hearts and minds to theloving rulership of our Lord, Jesus Christ. And now withtodays teaching, here is Gordon James Klingenschmitt.
Thanks Mark. Today we continue ourmini-drama entitled The Theological Adventures of JohnnyLukewarm and Pastor Loophole. You remember ourcharacters: Johnny Lukewarm is a non-Christian who calls himselfa Christian. He wants to go to heaven when he dies, butdoesnt want to obey Jesus as the Lord of his life. Sohe gets his advice from Pastor Loophole, who tells him everythinghis itching ears want to hear.
(Higher) Pastor Loophole, says Johnny, Imvery upset about this particular passage of scripture. Itseems as though God is commanding me to do something I reallydont want to do. Do I really have to repent, and stopsinning, and obey God? Or is there some other alternative?
(Lower) Why, certainly there is, Johnny Lukewarm, you justrelax. I can offer you dozens of alternatives, and give youvery logical reasons why you dont have to obey God.
(Higher) Oh, thank goodness. For a minute there, Ithought Id actually have to change my behavior and obeyGod! Johnny breathes a big sigh of relief. Hesits forward eagerly, with his itching ears searching for someway of escape from the Holy Spirits conviction. Butthe Spirit of God is grieved away, and He slowly withdraws hisconviction from Johnnys life.
(Start) Nowlets continue with Loophole #11, entitled Perfectlove drives out fear. So heres Pastor Loopholeagain.
(Lower) You dont have to fear God. In fact, theBible says, perfect love drives out fear.
TIMEOUT !! Lets look at the scriptures everybody, andanalyze Pastor Loopholes advice. Lets rightlydivide the word of truth, and separate the truth from the lies inthe advice given by Pastor Loophole. First, I want toacknowledge the true part. Its true that Perfectlove drives out fear. But the lie is that perfectlove refers to Gods love toward you. Lookthis up for yourself in 1st John 4. When John saysperfect love drives out fear, hes notdescribing how much God loves you, so you dont have to fearGod, because God loves you now, even while you continue to enjoyyour sins. In fact, hes saying the opposite. Hestalking about the perfect love youre supposed to havetoward God! Hes saying that if you love Godperfectly, then God wont punish you, because yourewalking in perfect holiness. You can prove this, just byreading the preceding verses. It says, Whoever livesin love lives in God, and God in him. In thisway, love is made complete among us so thatwe will have confidence on the day of judgment, [why?] becausein this world we are like him.
Now its truethat God has not given us a spirit of fear. Jesustold us not to fear other men. But then Jesus said, Iwill show you whom you should fear: Fear him who
has powerto throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fearhim. Johnny Lukewarm, if you continue to enjoyyour sins, fear God. His wrath will destroy you in hellunless you repent. The fear of the LORD is the beginningof wisdom.
Now lets continue with loopholenumber 12, entitled, You Cant Earn Salvation,Its a Free Gift Heres PastorLoophole again.
(Lower) NowJohnny, eternal salvation is a free gift from God, not apayment for something youve earned. You cantearn your way into heaven by being holy, so God must not requirerepentance or holiness for you to be saved, because He gives itas a free gift. The Bible says, when a man works, hiswages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures everybody, and analyze Pastor Loopholes advice. First, I want to acknowledge the true part. Its truethat holiness doesnt help you earn salvation. Andits true that salvation is a free gift, given by God, evenwhen you dont deserve it. But its a lie thatholiness is optional, and repentance is optional, and you can goto heaven without holiness. Its a lie that withoutholiness, everyone can see the Lord. But heres thetruth to replace those lies: Without holiness, no one will seethe Lord. Jesus said,unless you repent, youtoo will all perish.
Holiness isnt optional for salvation, just like genuinefaith isnt optional for salvation.
If you dont change your heart, andsubmit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, and love God with allyour heart, you will not go to heaven.
Now its truethat holiness wont help you earn salvation. Andyou cant buy eternal life, and pay for it withholiness credits. God isnt obligated to forgive you. God gives His mercy as a free gift, even if we dont deserveit. But even if holiness doesnt help you deservesalvation, its still required. Just like faithdoesnt merit your salvation for you, but itsstill required. Now Martin Luther once said, There isno such thing as merit; but all who are justified are justifiedgratis,
Just imagine if thegovernor of Texas had the power to grant full clemency, or atotal pardon, or absolute mercy to a death row inmate whosabout to be executed. Now just imagine if the guilty man,on his way to be executed, appeared before the governor of Texas,and got down on his knees, and said, Im so sorry,Ill never do it again, please forgive me. Pleasedont sentence me to death. My heart has changed. I promise Ill never do it again. Please grant me apardon and set me free. Now you might question hissincerity, but even if he really sincerely repented, and he wasreally, really sorry, does that mean he suddenly deservesto be forgiven? Did his repentance earn him the rightto be forgiven? No way! Now is the governor of Texassuddenly obligated to grant him a pardon, and commute hissentence? No way! If the governor decides to grant apardon at this point, it would only be out of the goodness of hisheart, as a freely given gift, not because the man deservesforgiveness.
Now picture a different scenario. Imagine if a death-rowinmate, on his way to be executed, appeared before the Governorof Texas, and said, Im not sorry at all. Infact, I enjoyed committing that crime, and if you set me free,Id probably do it again. Do you think theGovernor of Texas would pardon him then? Can you imaginethe governor saying, Well, hes not sorry, and hisheart isnt changed, but Im going to forgive himanyway. Im going to commute his death sentence, andset him free. Take off those handcuffs, and let him gofree. No way! Even the most liberal governor inAmerica wouldnt pardon a prisoner like that, while theprisoners heart is unchanged and unrepentant, while hecontinues to enjoy what he did.
God wont be obligated to pardon you. He may forgiveyou if He desires, but even then its only out of thegoodness of His heart. Hed pardon you as a free gift,not because you deserve to be forgiven. But then again, ifyour heart isnt really changed, and youre thinking,Im not that sorry at all. I enjoyed those sins,and Id like to enjoy them again, then God wonteven think about granting you a pardon. If you continue toenjoy your sins, God will never forgive you.
Lets stop for a moment, and pray. Would you take amoment to pray with me? Pray these words along with me, toGod. Go ahead and say them out loud. Father inheaven. I plead with you, to have mercy on me, a sinner. God, Im so sorry for my sins. I hate my sins. Pleaseforgive me. Right now, I change my heart. Idont want to do those sins anymore. I really mean it. Ill never do it again, especially that one sin thatyoure convicting me of, right now. God, pleaseforgive me, and come and change my heart right now. God,come and rule my heart forever. I choose to love you, andhate my sins. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.
Did you just pray with me? If you just prayed with me,would you just raise your hand? Wherever you are, ifyoure in your house, or in your car, or in front of otherpeople, its OK. Just raise your right hand up to God,as a sign that you just prayed with me and gave your heart backto God. God sees your heart. Did you mean what youjust prayed? I know you did. Now if you just prayedwith me, Id like to ask you to write to me and get a copyof this book youre hearing me teach from. HeresMark with that information.
Middle segment by Mark McWilliams
Thanks Gordon. Hell be back injust a moment. But first, do you know somebody who needs tohear todays message? If you call our toll-free numberin the next hour, 866-Obey-God, well mail you a freecassette tape of todays broadcast, which you can copy andgive to your friends. All our tapes are copyable and free,but please remember we need your donations to stay on the air andto give away these free tapes. So please pray and obey,then send us your best possible donation, after you receive yourfree cassette. (Gordon: Hey time out! Ifits your first time calling us, no donation is required! Just call us!) Our toll free number is 866-Obey-God,thats 1-866-O-B-E-Y-G-O-D. And please specifyyoure requesting todays program. Do you believeAmerica needs to hear these messages? If so, then we needyou to sponsor us, by joining the Persuaders Club with amonthly pledge of just $15. If you join thePersuaders Club, well also send you an autographedcopy of Gordons book that youve been hearing. Justvisit our web-site at persuaders-club.com. Or call us inthe next hour at 866-Obey-God. Right now, lets returnto Gordon James Klingenschmitt.
Thanks again, Mark. Now letscontinue with Loophole #13, entitled, Gospel meansgood news, not bad news Soheres Pastor Loophole again.
(Lower)Johnny, the word gospel means goodnews, not bad news. And if we have to be holy inorder to be saved, thats not good newsthats badnews. So anyone who preaches that holiness is required forsalvation is not preaching the gospel. The good news meansGod forgives you even while you continue to enjoy your sins. Isnt that great news? But if anyone thinks you haveto be holy to be saved, they just dont understand thegospel.
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures everybody, and analyze Pastor Loopholes advice.First, I want to acknowledge the true part. Its truethat the word Gospel means good news. But its a lie that holiness is bad news. Heresthe good news: Jesus can set you free from your deadly sins! This is the greatest news ever spoken in the universe! WhenPastor Loophole thinks that sanctification is bad news, andgetting set free from your deadly sins is bad news, that justproves how much he loves his sins! He hates the idea ofgetting rid of his sins. He feels sad when he thinks ofletting go of his sins. But not true believers. TrueChristians rejoice when God sets them free from their deadlysins. True Christians hate their sins, and theyreglad to see them go. They celebrate when God sets them freefrom that bondage to sin! Jesus said, The Spirit of theLord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach goodnews to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedomfor the prisoners
to release the oppressed
Now heres Loophole #14, entitled,past, present, and future.
(Lower) Oh, the mercy of God! Pastor Loopholecontinues, Jesus shed his blood on the cross for us, oncefor all eternity. He paid for all the sins of all time,past, present, and future. So if your past, present, andfuture sins are covered by his atoning sacrifice, then dontworry about the sins you committed in the past, theyrecovered, even if you dont repent for them. Anddont worry about your present sins, theyre coveredtoo, even if youre enjoying them right now! And evenif you sin for the rest of your life until you die, Jesus paidfor all your future sins too. You dont need torepent, or persevere in holiness until the end, no, Jesus paidfor your all your sins, past, present, and future, even while youcontinue to enjoy them.
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures everybody, and analyze Pastor Loopholes advice. First, I want to acknowledge the true part. Its truethat when Jesus died on the cross, at that one moment in history,he paid for the sins of all time, past, present and future. But its a lie that His sacrifice on the cross covers thosepast sins that you havent yet repented of. Andits a lie that Jesus paid for those present sins youcontinue to embrace. And its a lie that he paid forall those future sins youre scheming and planning to enjoy! The truth is that God does not forgive those sins which youcontinue to enjoy. If you dont repent, and forsakeyour known sins, and hate them, the sacrifice Jesus made on thecross doesnt apply to you.
You know, everybodys quick topoint to the cross, but God would rather have your obedience. Whats better, for you to sin aggressively and point to thecross, or for you to obey God and not have sins which needforgiving in the first place? Does the LORD delight inburnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice ofthe LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice,and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
No, if you continueto enjoy your sins, then the blood Jesus shed on the cross doesnot apply to you. The Bible says in Hebrews 10, Ifwe deliberately keep on sinning after we have received theknowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only afearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that willconsume the enemies of God.
Just imagine if this one single loophole was removed fromAmerican theology. Imagine if every Christian in Americasuddenly realized, that Jesus didnt pay for those sins wecontinue to enjoy. Imagine if everybody suddenly realizedthat Gods doesnt forgive people who continue to lovetheir sins. What a holy fear of God would sweep throughtheir hearts. What sudden agitation and anguish theydfeel. How theyd fret and perspire and pace back andforth nervously, as they fully realized, My sins, my sins,theyll destroy me! What holy terror would filltheir hearts, as they imagine their very real, and soon comingfateeternal torment in the fires of hell. Howtheyd search and search for an escape from that torment,but alas there would be none. Except, of course,repentance.
Ah, there it is! their face would brighten. Myescape from the clutches of hell! I must immediately changemy behavior. I must thoroughly examine my heart, and changemy every desire, to love God instead of selfishness. I mustinventory my life with a fine-toothed comb, confessing each andevery sin to God, leaving no stone unturned. I must purgemy heart of every ounce of rebellion to Gods rulership. And I must remain faithful until the day I die, or Illsurely perish! What a revival of holiness would sweepacross this nation. What an irresistible wave of obediencewould crash from shore to shore. Can you see thethundering, pounding footsteps of Gods authority takinghold in the hearts of men, the kingdom of God forcefully andviolently marching into the hearts of every man, woman, and childin our nation? All the blinders would immediately fall fromour eyes. People everywhere would have no option but toradically choose holiness. Suddenly the Church would lookvery different from the rest of the world. Can you evenimagine it? I can. Its coming. Theresa holiness revolution coming to the Church in America, but notuntil we purge all the loopholes out of our theology, and weforsake this silly notion that God forgives our sins, even whilewe continue to enjoy them. This is the message that canbring revival to our land: God does not forgive those sins whichyou continue to enjoy. Say that out loud with me: Goddoes not forgive those sins which I continue to enjoy.
Will you help us preach that message? I pray youllwrite to us and get a copy of this book youre hearing meteach from. You can even use our book to lead small groups,since we have discussion questions at the end of every chapter. Or get this tape and copy it give it to your friends. Inour book and in our future broadcasts, well answer thequestions you may have about faith versus works or eternalsecurity, and youll hear more theological adventures ofJohnny Lukewarm and Pastor Loophole. So I hope youllwrite us and tune in again next time. Now I love you, and Icare about you. So heres Mark with more information.
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