Program#L13The Theological Adventures of Johnny Lukewarm andPastor Loophole: More Grace Loopholes (Contd)
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Thanks Mark. Today we continue ourmini-drama entitled The Theological Adventures of JohnnyLukewarm and Pastor Loophole. You remember ourcharacters: Johnny Lukewarm is a non-Christian who calls himselfa Christian. He wants to go to heaven when he dies, butdoesnt want to obey Jesus as the Lord of his life. Sohe gets his advice from Pastor Loophole, who tells him everythinghis itching ears want to hear.
(Higher) Pastor Loophole, Im very upset about thisparticular passage of scripture. It seems as though God iscommanding me to do something I really dont want to do. Do I really have to repent, and stop sinning, and obey God? Or is there some other alternative?
(Lower) Why, certainly there is, Johnny Lukewarm, you justrelax. I can offer you dozens of alternatives, and give youvery logical reasons why you dont have to obey God.
(Higher) Oh, thank goodness. For a minute there, Ithought Id actually have to change my behavior and obeyGod! Johnny breathes a big sigh of relief. Hesits forward eagerly, with his itching ears searching for someway of escape from the Holy Spirits conviction. Butthe Spirit of God is grieved away, and He slowly withdraws hisconviction from Johnnys life.
Now lets continue with Loophole #15,entitled The Cross Plus Nothing So heres PastorLoophole again.
(Lower) The Cross plus nothing, Johnny. The bloodJesus shed on the cross is the only thing that can pay for yoursins. And you cant add one thing to the work Jesusdid for you on the cross. When Jesus hung on the cross andsaid, It is finished,
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures everybody, and analyze Pastor Loopholes advice. Lets rightly divide the word of truth, and separate thetruth from the lies in the advice given by Pastor Loophole. First, I want to acknowledge the true part. Its truethat the blood Jesus shed on the cross is the ONLY thing that canatone for, or pay for, your sins. So if you do live a holylife, your holiness doesnt help atone for, or pay for, yoursins. Who can wash away my sin? Nothing but the bloodof Jesus. Amen! But just because the cross is theonly payment for your sins, that doesnt mean its theonly requirement for salvation. Payment is not the same asrequirement. If the cross was the only requirement forsalvation, then everybody in all history would be saved, becausethe only requirement for everybody was already met! Thecross is sufficient to atone for the sins of all mankind, but inreality it only covers the people who meet Gods otherrequirements. If you dont meet Gods otherrequirements for salvation, then what Jesus did on the crossdoesnt apply to you.
For starters, the cross does not apply to you, if you refuse tobelieve in the Lord Jesus. If the cross was the onlyrequirement for salvation, then faith in Christ is nota requirement for salvation.
(Lower) Oh, well I meant to include that one. saysPastor Loophole, Just two requirements: The cross plusbelieving. I didnt really mean to say the crossplus nothing. I meant to say the cross plusbelieving. But certainly those are the only tworequirements for salvation.
No, God has more requirements. If the cross is the onlyrequirement for salvation, then receiving Jesus as your Savior isnot a requirement.
(Lower) Oh yeah, I forgotits the cross plus twothings. The cross, plus believing and receiving Jesus asSavior. But dont add any more. We dontwant to add to the finished work of the cross.
No, God demands more. If the cross was the only requirementfor salvation, then you dont need to be born again.
(Lower) Hmmm. says Pastor Loophole. Iknow Jesus said You must be born again,
Sorry, heres two more: Paul writes that if youconfess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believein your heart that God raised him from the dead,
(Lower) Well, yeah, thats in Romans 10. O.K.,Ill give you those two. Its the cross plus fivethings. But Pastor Loophole is starting to getfrustrated.
But heres one more. If the cross is the onlyrequirement for salvation, then repentance is not a requirement. But if you dont have to repent, then why did all theprophets tell people to Repent and live!
(Lower) No way. Thats too much. PastorLoophole gets angry. You can say the cross plus fivethings, but never six. Now youve crossed the line. Youre adding way too much to the finished work of thecross. I never liked the word repent, anyway. Sounds like salvation by works to me.
But Pastor Loophole has drawn his line in the sand. Firsthe said the cross plus nothing, and then he conceded,the cross plus five things, but now he draws hisline, when all the prophets in the Bible requirerepentance. Why does he stand against them? Whatmakes him so uncomfortable? Whats the realreason he says the cross plus nothing? Does hewant to water down the gospel, and black out Godsrequirement that we repent? Why does he only like half theBible, and hate the other half? Does he love his own sinstoo much to forsake them? What liberal seminary taughtPastor Loophole his theology? Who were his favorite Bibleteachers? Did they work for God or for the devil?
But wait, God requires more. If the cross is the onlyrequirement of salvation, then you dont have to confessyour known sins to God. But the Bible says, If weconfess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us oursins...
(Lower) Oh, stop adding to the finished work of thecross! shouts Pastor Loophole.
Nope, I cant delete Gods requirements from His Word. Ill preach the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but thetruth. Id rather die than silence the half of theBible you dont like. But wait, heres a few morerequirements:
John 17 says you must know Him, the only true God, and JesusChrist, whom he has sent. This is eternal life.
Romans 8 says thosewho are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
1st Corinthians 15 says Bythis gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word Ipreached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
(Higher) But wait, says Johnny Lukewarm, Youjust read 16 New Testament requirements for salvation. Butwhat if theres more? What if I overlook one, and Imiss heaven on a mere technicality?
Relax, Johnny Lukewarm, because Jesus boiled all theserequirements down to only two. If you just obey the twocommands of Christ, theyll encompass all the otherrequirements in the Bible. If you really want to be safe,read Luke chapter 10.
An expert in thelaw stood up to test Jesus. Teacher, he asked,what must I do to inherit eternal life?
What is written in the law? he replied. How doyou read it?
He answered, Love the Lord your God with all yourheart and with all your soul and with all your strength and withall your mind.; and, Love your neighbor asyourself.
You have answered correctly, Jesus replied. Dothis and you will live.
Oh my. Did you hear what Jesus said? All ofGods commandments can be summed up in these two: LoveGod and love your neighbor. Do this and youll inheriteternal life! All of those requirements we read in theBible: believe in the Lord Jesus, receive Him as your personalSavior, be born again, confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord,believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, repent andturn to God, confess your sins to God, know Him the only trueGod, and Jesus Christ, whom he has sent, walk in the light, as heis in the light, walk as Jesus did, dont deliberately keepon sinning, be holy, be led by the Spirit of God, overcome sinand the world, hold firmly to the word that was preached to you,be faithful even to the point of death, all these commandments,and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up inthis one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Nowwhen Jesus says in Luke 10, love God with all your heart,and love your neighbor as yourself. Do this and you willlive. What is he saying? Is he adding to thefinished work of the cross? No, hes laying outGods requirements, if you want the cross to atone for yoursins! Love God and love your neighbor. Do this, andthe cross will atone for your sins! Now holiness, or lovingGod and loving your neighbor, doesnt atone for yoursinsonly the blood Jesus shed on the cross can do that. But if you dont love God and love your neighbor, then whatJesus did on the cross doesnt apply to you. Forgetabout the cross plus nothing. Its thecross plus love. Love God and love your neighbor. Dothis and you will live.
Read it foryourself in Luke 10. Now lets take a short break.
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Thanks again, Mark. Now letscontinue with loophole number 16, entitled positionalsanctification. Heres Pastor Loophole again:
(Lower) Now Johnny, holiness isnt required for yourjustification, or eternal salvation. No, holiness is onlyneeded for your sanctification, or your personal growth.
And when we talkabout sanctification, theres really two kinds: First,theres positional sanctification, and thentheres actual sanctification. Nowheres how it works, Johnny. When you accept Jesus asyour Savior, youre positionally sanctified. You gain a position in Christ, so God pretends that youreholy, even when youre not. Your position in Christ isall that matters, because God doesnt look at those sins youkeep on enjoying, He only looks at what Jesus did for you on thecross. Now once youre positionallysanctified, you can take your sweet time about becoming actuallysanctified, or actually holy, because actual sanctification is alifelong process. You have the rest of your life to grow inholiness. You dont have to be holy all at once, youcan do it gradually and slowly, because actual sanctification isa life-long process. Theres no hurry, because actualholiness is optional when it comes to salvation. Godalready sees you as positionally sanctified because of what Jesusdid for you on the cross.
(Higher) Wow, thanks Pastor Loophole, says JohnnyLukewarm. I guess Ill just forsake my sins gradually,a little bit at a time. Ill give up some easy onesnow, but I think Ill delay forsaking my favorite sins untillater on when its more convenient. After all, actualsanctification is a life-long process. And Impositionally sanctified until then. Im saved andgoing to heaven, even if I dont give up all my sins, rightaway.
TIME OUT !! Lets look at the scriptures everybody, and analyze PastorLoopholes advice. First, I want to acknowledge thetrue part. Its true that once you get saved,youll spend the rest of your life growing in knowledge, andits a life-long process to learn about what pleasesGod. But the lie is that after you realizeyoure walking in sin, you can take your sweet time andgradually forsake your known sins. You cant graduallyrepent, youve got to repent immediately! God demandsyou forsake all your known sins immediately, not gradually. Yeah, you can gradually grow in knowledge, but repentance andholiness must be immediate! You cant delayrepentance, and wallow in your sins a while, and take your sweettime to become holy. Youve got to repent immediately! Not later on in life, right now! Your knowledge will growgradually over time, but your actual holiness must be immediate.
Now the whole idea of positional sanctification is alie of the devil. People who say you can be positionallysanctified are preaching the antinomian heresy, sayingwithout holiness, everyone can see the Lord. Theythink repentance is optional, and you can go to heaven withoutreal holiness, and Jesus died on the cross to forgive your sins,even while you continue to enjoy them. But positionalsanctification is a false theological construct, and itsnot based on the Bible. The Bible says without holiness, noone will see the Lord.
So if yourethinking, I can gradually and slowly forsake my known sins,and I can delay repentance, and I can wait until later to get actuallysanctified. If you believe this, you believe the liesof the devil. Only the devil wants you to delay repentance,and wallow in your sins a little while longer. Dontdo it. God wants to set you free from your sins right now,not tomorrow.
Repentance andholiness and sanctification arent optional, theyremandatory for salvation. If you didnt repent andchange your heart when you got saved, then you didnt reallyget saved. If you didnt forsake your known sins, andstop sinning, when you got born again, then you didntreally get born again. 1st John says, We knowthat anyone born of God does not continue to sin
No one whois born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remainsin him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
And Hebrews 10says, if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have receivedknowledge of the truth, no sacrifice (or atonement) for sins isleft, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of ragingfire that will consume the enemies of God. So if youdeliberately keep on sinning, you dont have any atonement! What Jesus did on the cross doesnt apply to you. Yourenot saved. If you deliberately keep on sinning, your futureis in the raging fire and judgment that will consume the enemiesof God. Read that for yourself in Hebrews chapter 10.
Now lets continue with loopholenumber 17, entitled growing in grace. HeresPastor Loophole again:
(Lower) Johnny, we have to grow in grace. TheBible says, grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord andSavior Jesus Christ. Now growing in grace means thatyou forsake your sins gradually and slowly. It takes timeto grow. Dont feel like you have to be holy all atonce. Take your sweet time, and grow in grace.
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures. Its true that Christians grow in grace. But the lie is that growing in grace means you can slowly andgradually forsake your known sins. Did you know that evenJesus grew in grace? The Bible says Jesus grew in wisdomand stature, and in favor with God and men.
Charles Finney saidin 1840, Many persons seem to understand the commandGrow in grace, as implying that gradual giving up ofsin.....If growth in grace implies the gradual giving up of sin,then God has commanded men not to give up their sins atoncethey must give them up gradually. The truth isthat growth in grace implies the immediate relinquishment of sinto begin with.
Now lets continue with loopholenumber 18, entitled Our righteousness is like filthyrags Heres Pastor Loophole again:
(Lower) Johnny, you cant be righteous in Godseyes, no matter what you do. The Bible says, allour righteous acts are like filthy rags
TIME OUT !! Lets look at thescriptures everybody. Its true the Bible says, allour righteousness acts are like filthy rags. Butthe lie is that if God changes your heart, and God fills yourheart with actual holiness, thats also like filthy rags.But heres the truth: theres one kind of actual humanrighteousness which measures up to Gods standardtherighteousness which comes by faith. With genuine faith(or whole-hearted submission to the Lordship of Christ) you canplease God. But without faith it is impossible to pleaseGod.
(Lower) But thats just the righteousness of Christ,imputed to you while you continue to enjoy your sins, saysPastor Loophole. Its like youre wearing aJesus mask. You dont have to be holy with youractions. But watch out for his lies, Johnny. Donot let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right isrighteous, just as he is righteous.
Lets pray for a moment. Wouldyou just stop what youre doing, and pray with me to God? Pray these words out loud, with me, to God: Father inHeaven, please cleanse my mind, and help me get rid of everyfalse loophole and excuse to remain in my sins. I renounceevery argument against holiness, and I embrace your truth. Iknow that sanctification must be immediate, and its notoptional. I know I must love God with all my heart, andlove my neighbor as myself. I know that growing in gracedoesnt mean I can delay holiness, or gradually let go of mysins. No Lord, I forsake them all immediately, right now. Come and rule my heart, Lord, and fill me with genuinerighteousness. In Jesus name, Amen.
Did you just pray with me? If you prayed with me, would youraise your right hand up to God? Wherever you are,its OK. Just raise your right hand up to God, as asign that you prayed with me and gave your heart back to God. Some of you are receiving a physical healing in your bodies rightnow, as Gods forgiveness takes over in your heart. Butif you prayed with me just now, I hope youll write to usand get a copy of this book youre hearing me teach from. Ive been very fortunate and blessed to have this book readand endorsed by people like C. Peter Wagner, and professors Tony Campoloand Jon Mark Ruthven, Pastors Ted Haggard and Floyd McClung, andJoy Dawson and Bill Hamon. So you know itstrustworthy. In our book and in our future broadcasts,well answer the questions you may have about faith versusworks or eternal security, and youll hear more theologicaladventures of Johnny Lukewarm and Pastor Loophole. So Ihope youll write us and tune in next time. Now I loveyou, and I care about you. So heres Mark with moreinformation.
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